Suzanne Proksa:
Welcome to the Suzanne show with me, Suzanne Proksa, HR and business strategist, former featured Etsy seller, plant addict, concert lover, gardener, landscaper in training, and human straight up obsessed with helping others and cheering on women. Here, we talk a little business, personal development, women's health, and a whole lot about things that matter, help people, and give them joy. Grab your coffee or your wine, Break out one of your hundreds of notebooks. Light that soy candle, and let's dive in. Hey beautiful human. Just a quick note that the episode that you are about to listen to is from my former show, Sue's Pro Live, but it is so good that I just wanted to make sure that it was still being shared. So enjoy. I am super excited today because we have an awesome topic, one that is definitely a pain point for a lot of us.
Suzanne Proksa:
And so I'm really excited to have Christine McAllister here today. Hopefully, I said that right. Perfect. Alright. So I am going to have her actually introduce herself. And if you don't know who I am, I am Suzanne Proksa. I am a business strategist and coach for female entrepreneurs looking to create a pipeline of clients without those boring paint by number tactics.
Christine McAlister:
I love
Suzanne Proksa:
to Christine.
Christine McAlister:
Hi everybody. My name is Christine McAllister. I'm a business and success coach for high achieving women, who are looking to start, build, and scale businesses that are online, that are freedom based. Right? So I help women to quit their jobs. I help them to stay out of their jobs, replace their income, and then go beyond that.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yes. And the topic today is how to quit and stay out of your 9 to 5. So Phew. Yeah? So if you are struggling with that, you're trying to get your business off the ground, you are, you know, like, going to work every day has got you, like, oh my gosh. There's not enough coffee in the world. How am I gonna get through this? This is definitely the live for you. So stay with us because she's gonna give some awesome tips and advice for putting an end to that. Nobody wants the alarm clock in the morning.
Christine McAlister:
No. No. That's not why we're here. Right?
Suzanne Proksa:
Exactly. So, Christine, this is, I mean, this is the work that you do. This is your specialty. You know, what do you come across the most as far as, you know, when you work with somebody, what do you think their biggest struggle is with trying to get out of that 9 to 5?
Christine McAlister:
I see two things. I see a lack of clarity and I see a the opposite of a lack, an overwhelming amount of self doubt. So those two things are like keeping keeping us stuck. Right? Keeping us unclear. Right? Maybe we think if we just had a clear plan, we'd go do it. And while sometimes that's true, usually it's, if I had a clear plan, I'd do it. That's just what we believe, but really we're just scared. Right? We're scared to show up fully.
Christine McAlister:
We're scared of failing. We're scared of maybe even of succeeding. Right? We're scared of criticism. We're scared of all of those things. We do not have confidence in ourselves that this dream is possible for us.
Suzanne Proksa:
And fear of success is huge. I know I went through that and it's funny. I still struggle with it from time to time. It's one of those things where, you know, we're not really, the world doesn't seem to lift us up very much. Does it? I mean, where, Where does all this come from?
Christine McAlister:
Yeah. I mean, I think one of the big things is that I believe from the time we are in inter school and societally and everything, we're really trained to be good employees. I was a college professor for years, so like I, you know, I I can see that from the other side as well, but like, we are trained to be good employees. We're trained to sink like employees. We're not trained to sink like entrepreneurs. And we're trained to avoid risk. Right? And let's also just like basic human, you know, biology and ancestry. And so I think, like, when we have this dream of doing something different, there's also this fear of, like, leaving the tribe, right, in a very primal level.
Christine McAlister:
Like, people criticize us because they don't understand or they have their own stuff around it, and it feels devastating. It feels like, okay, well, it's not possible when really they might be well intentioned in trying to keep us safe where they might have to look at their own stuff if you were to succeed. I mean, there are a whole host of reasons that probably have very little to do with you. Right? But I also often think about this example from the book, The Confidence Code, which is about women and confidence. And those authors did a ton of research and I feel like this is my biggest takeaway from that book, which is quite long. That if, a man sees a job that he is thinking about applying for, he will apply if he feels 60 per percent qualified. A woman typically has to feel a 100% qualified for the job in order to apply. And that's a job.
Christine McAlister:
Like, that's something that's, like, normal and everybody does it. I mean, imagine what those statistics are if you extrapolate them out for entrepreneurship. Ship. Right? We are just not embedded with a ton of confidence. And of course, there are ways to overcome that and and strengthen those confidence muscles. We can talk about those, but I really think it's pretty systemic.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yeah. I I believe it because on the on a daily basis, that is really the root of everything I see. I swear, you know, with a lot of these women, it's, you know, that that doubt, that massive doubt, the fear. There's some very talented women out there who just aren't succeeding because they're terrified to even put an offer out there. Yes. You know? So
Christine McAlister:
so much less do a Facebook live. Right?
Suzanne Proksa:
I know. Oh my gosh. The struggle is real trying to get people on It's like live.
Christine McAlister:
Yes. It's fun. It's fun. And they're like, it's fun.
Suzanne Proksa:
Totally. Totally. I always get so excited when I see somebody do their first one, because it really is a massive accomplishment.
Christine McAlister:
It is. It is. And it gets easier the more you do it. Yes. And it gets fun. Yeah. Yes.
Suzanne Proksa:
So what do you think are the biggest things keeping women from quitting their jobs? So I
Christine McAlister:
think, like, when we, you know, we we've talked already about this, like, lack of confidence, this lack of self belief. Right? This self doubt and the fear. You know? I think a lot of times, we don't know how we could replace our incomes as well. Right? I work with women largely who are service based. And so, like, you know, my work often consists of helping them figure out exactly how they're gonna make the money. Right? Because a lot of times, like, our zone of genius is right here in front of our face and we can't see it or like as my friend Adrienne Dorrisen says, like, you're inside the jar and you can't read the label. Right? So you're just like so good at certain things, but a lot of times, if those things come super easily to you, you automatically assume everybody can do them easily. And why would anyone pay you? When in reality, it's like it comes easily to you because it's so natural and other people think, well, that would be a nightmare for me.
Christine McAlister:
I need help with that. Right? So I think it's just this like, it it all ties together, but a lot of times we just don't even know where we could start to make money and or we're not asking the right questions. We're saying, oh, that would be nice or, oh, I wish I could do that, but I can't because, and telling ourselves that story instead of saying, how can I and what pieces of support do I need to put in place to follow through and to get visible and to get the client?
Suzanne Proksa:
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Christine McAlister:
Yes. I love that one.
Suzanne Proksa:
And so, yeah. And so, you know, there's a few things out there this year that I wanna do, and that's my mindset going into it. But a year ago, it would've been just completely no. It's not gonna happen. And so I see a lot of other women doing that as well. You know, they just immediately shut that door and prevent themselves from moving forward.
Christine McAlister:
Yes.
Suzanne Proksa:
And it's such a bummer. I mean, how do you, how do you help women get past that hurdle? Because that's a big one.
Christine McAlister:
Yes. Yes. So I think that paying attention to the way that we talk is really important. And I love that shift of I can't to how can I? Right? Like, that right there, if you can put a Post it sticky notes up, reminders on your phone. Right? How can I? Like, immerse yourself in how can I? You know, I have a vision board and every time I look at it, I'm like, oh my gosh. I forgot that I put that up there, like, a couple weeks ago and it just happened. Right? So that stuff is real. You know? But I think it's, like, giving yourself permission to dream.
Christine McAlister:
I know that a lot of times as women, we, like, try to guard ourselves against disappointment. So we don't, allow ourselves to be honest with what we really want. In case it doesn't happen, then we can say, well, I didn't allow myself to want it anyway. Right? I can remember saying something like that in high school, like, when I really wanted to be asked to one of the dances. I was like, I'm just, like, gonna say that it's not gonna happen. And that way, I won't be disappointed. Like, looking back on that, no, I was like, I have 13. Like, where if I get that? Right? But I think we pick that stuff up.
Christine McAlister:
So in working through that, I think the it really does start with mindset, like you said. It really does start with eliminating the word can't, the word don't know. Right? I don't know how, or it's not possible because the the book, conscious language, has some great charts on one side. If you say this, you know, you can change it to upgrade this. The book is very heady and, like, kind of cerebral and out there. But in in a section of it, it has some really, like, practical chart that you can go to. So you could check out that book. But I would say, like, it is a completely different mindset than the one that you're surrounded with in your daily life, and you're with your family, and with your coworkers, and your friends.
Christine McAlister:
And so prepare for it to feel really weird when you first start because it's really different than you probably ever thought. Right? But, like, in your, you know, in your Facebook group and my Facebook group, those places are places where you can connect and find other people who are like you because you're probably feeling somewhat alone in your real life about this.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yes. So I'm laughing because I'm just thinking of how real the struggle is. It's I mean, it's, it's a real challenge and it does take time, but it's definitely a worthwhile exercise for people to work on that. Yes. Yes. For sure. Yep. And we are surrounded by it on the daily.
Suzanne Proksa:
I think it's, you know, simple example, for instance, you know, I am a concert nerd. I love to go to all the concerts and there's this big, big hootenanny coming up in the summer where the tickets are going on sale next week and they're not cheap. And so I'm asking friends about it, you know, and I'm like, well, you know, they have a payment plan and they're still over there. Like, oh, I can't afford it. And I'm like, well, how can you afford it? You know, how can you make this happen? You know, it's only this, like, $50 a month if you do this. And yeah. But they're still over there like, oh, I can't. I can't.
Suzanne Proksa:
I can't.
Christine McAlister:
Right. Right. I think it's like also being kinda being real honest with ourselves about what we value. Right? Like, you know, you and I are both coaches. Right? So, like, a lot of times, you know, when we're thinking about investing in some kind of support for ourselves or we're talking to clients who might be thinking potential clients, like, that I can't afford it thing might come up. Right? And I think that I think that we find ways to pay for the things that we really desire. I mean, I just think that we do, like and I understand that that is a blanket statement that doesn't apply to everyone, but I also understand that those of us who are participating in this Facebook live are, like, on the Internet, like, most likely in 1st world countries where we have access to more things and more resources than 99.9% of people who've ever lived.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yeah.
Christine McAlister:
And so I think when we began, like, really recognizing and owning that, I don't say this Proksa somebody who's never been through something hard, and we can talk about that if you want to. But, like, I am a just a really big believer in, like, we are resourced and capable of figuring out ways to do the things that we truly desire. And so it's time to start being honest about that.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yeah. You know, that's absolutely right because I did a live I don't know. They all start to blend. I I did a live because I felt so bad for a couple ladies who they just feel defeated because they can't afford 1 to 1 coaching right now. And so my live was all about figuring out, you know, what can you create? What can you sell? What can you package to help you start making some money, you know, using those scale. It's like you talked about in the beginning. So, yeah, I mean, we do have those resources and we do have that ability to really make those changes.
Christine McAlister:
Yes. Yes. And, like, in your example, $50 a month, well, that could be like one pretty casual dinner out. You know what I mean? Like, cheap people. Like, if you're willing to give that up or your weekly Starbucks habit or whatever, like, how bad do you want it?
Suzanne Proksa:
Exactly. Yeah. So let's talk about getting the heck out of those 9 to fives, shall we? Yes. How do these ladies get going down that
Christine McAlister:
road? Yes. So I really like to help my clients develop services and packages that can help them quickly replace their income. Right? So, like, things that, you know, they're uniquely gifted to do their zone of genius, right, from that great book, The Big Leap, which I absolutely adore and recommend. So good. Right? And so I believe that it's very smart and strategic to sell just 1 to 2 things at a price that you can, say without throwing up. It doesn't have to be the exact right, like, replace your income price the first time because most of us have some major blocks with selling and owning our worth as women. And so this feels really scary in the beginning. So again, back to the confidence thing.
Christine McAlister:
Right? The goal is to, like, get you a little bit more confident each step of the way because confidence comes from taking action. It's not just something we're born with or not born with. Although some people are certainly born with more confidence than others. Me, not one of them. Right. Total introvert, total really sensitive person right here. Like, obviously I'm very comfortable on lives now. That wasn't always the case, you know, and probably the same for you, but confidence comes from taking action.
Christine McAlister:
We've done tons and tons of these now. Right? Yeah. So get more confident as you go, but, you know, figure out what you what it is that you want to offer, 1 to 2 things, premium price, whatever that looks like for you, and it's the number's different for everybody, what you start at, what you go up to, and, of course, based on what you're offering as well. And then really, it's about, like, dealing with the things that come up along the way, which are different for everyone. But some of them are like, oh, I'm not I'm not worthy of having someone pay me, or I can't guarantee results. So how can I offer this package? Or, like, what if what if they don't like me once we start working together? What if my ideal client or, you know, whatever you wanna call it? What if my niche doesn't exist? People in my town don't wanna pay for this kind of thing. People online don't wanna pay for this kind of thing. There's so many people out there who are already doing it.
Christine McAlister:
Right? Again, it's the mindset stuff that when we get the self belief going, get the confidence going, then we can really rock these simple strategies. Right? Like you said, you know, they're different for everyone. I mean, I have clients who have booked out based on referrals, or they booked out based on Instagram, or they book, you know, with a Facebook post or message or email or whatever. So there's no, like, one right way, like you say.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yeah.
Christine McAlister:
Right? It's all based on the person and what their makeup is like and what they're excited to offer. But the goal is to get them making consistent income and also build their self belief so that it the time to quit becomes very clear.
Suzanne Proksa:
So one of the things you mentioned was having, you know, the 2 offers with a price that doesn't make you throw up, which is so funny because I think back to my first 3 month Proksa, oh my gosh, I it you know, I I charged this rock bottom price. I mean, it was ridiculous. And then I got into it and I'm thinking, what in the world were you thinking?
Christine McAlister:
Right. You get annoyed that you charge so little. Right? Oh, yeah. But then that's when you know it's time to raise your price. Yeah.
Suzanne Proksa:
You have to buy a lot. So so one of the biggest issues with that for people is actually putting those offers out there.
Christine McAlister:
Yeah.
Suzanne Proksa:
You know, how, what are your techniques for pushing people to do that and put those offers out there and not feel completely defeated if they get crickets.
Christine McAlister:
Yeah. Well, I would say that often we get crickets.
Suzanne Proksa:
Mhmm.
Christine McAlister:
Because the online space is super busy, and it still comes back to relationships. A lot of times, you know, what I find is that if my clients are looking to offer services and something that people already know them for, like if they're offering something similar or people are in their you know, on their Facebook feed or in real life or whatever, already know that they're like a health fanatic, let's say. Right? So now they're gonna offer, like, health coaching. I want them talking to their friends and family about it. I want them getting comfortable. I want them, you know, being willing to share some things on their Facebook feed. I want them just starting really small. And also knowing that it's gonna take time, but that people are watching even if it's crickets.
Christine McAlister:
You know, how many members of our Facebook groups, like, never say anything. But then out of the blue one day, they're like, I've been watching. I've been reading everything. Right? They've been lurking. So like people will, people will be creeping on you from the very first time you put a post out, but they wanna see if you're real. They are watching to see if you are one post drop and run or if you are real. And then they can get to know you and what you have to offer and you're consistent and you're providing value. You know? It's so obvious that people who are just like, you know, put it out there once and either they got frustrated, you know, because nobody bought immediately and they made 6 figures overnight.
Christine McAlister:
Like, we hear all these
Suzanne Proksa:
Yeah.
Christine McAlister:
Exactly. Less ads saying, you know, there's just such a, like, fallacy in this space based on these myths that ads and, you know, some some big names or whatever perpetuate. But the truth is it's still business. It's still starting small. It's still selling if you're selling 1 to 1 services, it's still selling because somebody knows, likes, and trusts you. Right? And that's not gonna happen after one offer.
Suzanne Proksa:
Right. That's very true. And it's funny what you just said because every single time somebody scheduled schedules a discovery call with me, every single time they were somebody who was watching stuff in silence every
Christine McAlister:
single time. What percent? 100%. Okay. That is such a great tip. Everyone listen. 100% of the time. It's the lurkers.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yep. I may have made like one comment or 2 comments somewhere, but they come out of nowhere. So, you know, even if you've got if you do a Facebook live, this is my encouragement for today. You do a Facebook live on your page. You see you've got 10 viewers. Remember, ladies, it only takes 1 viewer. Only 1. True.
Suzanne Proksa:
So don't be frustrated. You know? That one person may be the one who signs up for your program or your package or, you know, so don't give up.
Christine McAlister:
Yeah. I mean, consistency and persistency are truly the keys, right, to, like, to building that business on the side, to quitting your 9 to 5, and then to building it beyond that. And I think, you know, another miss that we hear a lot is like, oh, the first time I put out an offer, like, or this one post made me $50,000 or whatever. And I think the thing that we forget is that those people were those people were working on things for years before they got to that point without exception. Right? Yes. Maybe they finally had one post blow up. You know, I did a lot of publicity last year, and one article that I wrote got shared on Arianna Huffington's Facebook page and her Twitter feed. Right?
Suzanne Proksa:
Right.
Christine McAlister:
But, like, I mean, there are 50 others that didn't. It wasn't my first article by any means. But it was a big deal, and I was super excited about it. And it happened once. You know? So like and I've been in business for 2 years by that point. So I think there's just, you know, a lot of times people who are looking to get out of their jobs are pretty new to business and I think it's just like a real opportunity to have honest conversation. Online business is still business, you know? And and it does take work. But if you love the work and you're clear on your plan and you're building your confidence, then it's then it's fun too because it's also like developing you into the kind of person who can build and sustain a profitable business long term, not just like explode overnight and then, you know, flame out.
Suzanne Proksa:
It'd be nice if that could happen, but it's yeah. That way. And then I mean, and it does take work. And, you know, one thing that we should talk about because we're talking about how to quit and stay out of your 9 to 5, you know, the the big challenge is you're in a 9 to 5 and you have a life, you know, how do you go about building that business while you're in the 9 to 5? So you can get the heck out of there without losing your shit or becoming incredibly sick from and I hate the word hustle. Yeah. You know? So how do you how do you do that?
Christine McAlister:
Yeah. Well, when you're just selling 1 to 2 and you're probably working with a limited number of clients, you don't have to do all the things. You don't have to be on all the platforms. You don't have to build a huge email list. Right? You don't have to have a huge Facebook group. You don't have to do any single you don't even have to have a website to sell your first packages. Like, it can get so, so, so much simpler than everybody who says, oh, you gotta be on this or you gotta post this many times a day, whatever. None of that is true.
Christine McAlister:
Right? I recommend that you pick one strategy that's really fun for you. If you like to spend a lot of time on Facebook, maybe that's your place. Right? Especially if you're watching, you know, on Facebook. Or if you're listening to the podcast, then maybe you want a guest expert on some podcast and find your people that way. Right? I mean, the the number of possibilities are as limitless as the Internet. But you only get traction when you pick 1 and master that. So that's where it can be pretty simple to build your business over your lunch hour. Right? Or before work or whatever.
Christine McAlister:
You know? You know, it depends on your life situation. I have a baby, so, like, my and and I only have part time care for her. So like my hours, I gotta fit in this box. Right? Kinda like being in a 9 to 5. When I was into my 9 to 5, I worked lunches and I worked evenings because I was single. I didn't mind giving up some social time on the weekends because number 1, I'm an introvert and number 2, I loved my work. You know? And, then every once in a while, I take a vacation day and work on my business or go travel to see a client, which is super fun for me. So everybody can have a solution, but I am a big believer in, like, if you dedicate an hour a day to the right things in your business, you can totally grow it that way while you're in your 9 to 5 without totally burning yourself out.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yes. And that thing is not Canva. That would be a lesson that I learned. Oh my goodness, girl. Get out of the can, Von.
Christine McAlister:
This is a black hole. It is. I'm not a designer. Are you a designer? Or you're like, I'm not a designer. I do create my own stock.
Suzanne Proksa:
Okay. And I do it in Canva, but I have I'm now trained to go in there and get the heck out. Yeah. Because I will be in there all day because I do have the gift of being able to make pretty things.
Christine McAlister:
Mhmm.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yeah. But I used to be in there for hours a day.
Christine McAlister:
That's not your, like, ultimate money making task of making fun
Suzanne Proksa:
of things. No. Could have been recording podcasts or something, but no. Canva is where I was.
Christine McAlister:
Well, there's probably a lot of other people too.
Suzanne Proksa:
Right? Oh, yeah. I think a lot of people do that. You know, you're trying to stand out on Instagram and have everything look pretty and
Christine McAlister:
just know. You know, you're you're word of warning.
Suzanne Proksa:
Yes. Yes, definitely. Okay. So let's say you've already quit and you haven't replaced your income yet. What do you recommend before these ladies go into complete panic mode?
Christine McAlister:
Yes. Yes. So I want you to ask yourself first the question, what's working, or what has worked? Like, if you're out of your 9 to 5 and you've had clients already, how did you get those clients? I think it's so easy and this happens all the time, total shiny object syndrome where we're chasing the next thing or, you know, we got this opt in and we haven't been through them all, or now I'm gonna read the book that promises this overnight, whatever. But if you've gotten clients before, how did you get those? It can be so simple to just go, I got them in this way. Why don't I do more of that?
Suzanne Proksa:
Mhmm.
Christine McAlister:
Right? Why don't I go back to, again, like super simple strategies and maximize that? I see that coming up a lot where especially in in women in 9 to fives, like we'll we'll get on the phone or we'll have an intensive or something. It will really do a deep dive into the business and be like, okay. You know, where have your clients come from? Where have this come from? And inevitably, the one will say, you know what? I've just been so busy. Like, I haven't ever taken a step back to look. I don't know what's working. And so that's such a powerful exercise. And usually we don't give ourselves that gift because we're like, on to the next thing on the to do list. Right? But really just sit down and go, okay, where did that client come from? How did they find me? Let's start by doing more of that before we slash our prices to rock bottom or we, like, declare a disaster or go down the shame spiral or whatever.
Christine McAlister:
You know, start looking on Indeed for jobs, LinkedIn, whatever. Like, let's take a look at the business from a strategy standpoint and see how we can replicate the success we've had. I think
Suzanne Proksa:
that's my biggest tip. That's that actually is a fantastic tip because, you know, like I mentioned earlier, my people came out of nowhere. Well, guess what? It was Facebook live. So it's not super hard to figure out either, ladies, if you do do the exercise that she suggested, you can usually pinpoint it rather easily. And she's absolutely right. You know, that's the thing that you wanna tackle for sure. So, and then pricing, you mentioned pricing. Yeah.
Suzanne Proksa:
Oh, that's a pain point right there.
Christine McAlister:
Yeah.
Suzanne Proksa:
Because I just jacked up the prices on all of my courses because they were still the prices were still reflective of that crappy money mindset. And so let's talk a little bit about pricing. So they're putting stuff out there. They're lacking the confidence. How in the world do they go about putting a price on something?
Christine McAlister:
Yep. So I think it comes back to what price can you say without throwing up. Right? But to give you, like, a tangible tip here, I find that often women in 9 to fives are are somewhat comfortable charging something around what they are getting paid right now in their job. So if you're making $50,000 a year in your job and you're working full time, you're making roughly $25 an hour. Right? You take off the last 3 digits, and you cut that first step number 50 in half. You're making about $25 an hour. So if you estimate, how many hours do you think your course or your service is gonna take to deliver and multiply that by 25, you have a very rough idea for a potential price. Now this is only a starting point because when you're out of your 9 to 5, you will be kicking some serious butt if you could even bill 20 hours a week.
Christine McAlister:
Like, that is, like, rock star status. Very few of us do it. Right? And then most of us have a team, and so we have more expenses on top of that. So, like, if you were I would want you charging at least double that if you were out of your 9 to 5. But the other thing is this is just the start as you begin to work on your money mindset. This is not like where you're gonna wind up or like what you're worth in any way. Like, this is just a way to help you put a an initial price on it and put it out there. Charge what you're already making, what someone already says.
Christine McAlister:
Yep. I'm gonna pay you this much to do work. Because then I find that it's less less self worth issues come up with that price strategy.
Suzanne Proksa:
I love that. That's a great way for people to dive in for sure. So you've got somebody who comes to you and they say, I've got to get out of this 9 to 5 before I lose it. 1st, like top three things that you would tell them. Now this is somebody maybe that's they're not working with you yet. They're just kind of inquiring. Yep. Three things to tell them to look at.
Christine McAlister:
Yep. So first of all, I totally get it. I spent a lot of years in a really, like, toxic work environment that Yeah. I mean, there there were times I became, like, super, super, super depressed, you know, like, scary depressed over it and, like, not I knowing I was meant to be an entrepreneur and not being able to see the past out and feeling like there was something wrong with me, that other people were doing it, and I couldn't. You know? So, like, first of all, there's nothing wrong with you. If you have this desire, you're like, you have it for a reason as cheesy as that sound. There's nothing wrong with you that you haven't been able to figure out how to do it yet. The biggest shifts in my business have come from when I've gotten support.
Christine McAlister:
So, like, I would tell you that whether it's me or someone else, you need to find somebody you feel like you can learn from and do whatever it takes to hire them. Yes. Because someone to hold your hand and kick your butt is what helps you move past your own shit, you know, to be quite blunt. Like, I, you know, again, to the jar and you can't see the label thing. Right? Like, becoming an entrepreneur is scary. It really screws with your mind. You know, all your stuff comes up. And if you are trying to work through all that stuff and answer every strategy question all by yourself as well or by, like, googling things and reading a 1000000 different blogs, you're gonna stay completely overwhelmed.
Christine McAlister:
Yeah. So, you know, I think a lot of times we like, we take all this money to go to school, student loans. Right? Like, I went to undergrad and grad school at student loans. But then when it came to like hiring my own first coach, I was like, oh, I've never spent money on myself before except to buy some books, which I didn't implement because it's, like, still the same person taking on all of these strategies and what, oh, that's a good idea, and then promptly, like, walking away and doing the same thing I'd always done, which is, like, procrastinate and be a perfection. So I think, like, for the love of your dreams, right, for the love of everything that, you know, you want, getting supported the fastest way to get there. And you gotta find somebody you feel like you can learn from because that's what's gonna allow you to be open enough to do just that.
Suzanne Proksa:
Awesome. So there's probably some people out there that wanna know how to reach you or if you have any really awesome freebies or anything like that that you can offer.
Christine McAlister:
Yeah. So the name of my business is Life With Passion. As you can tell, I'm a pretty passionate person. So I have a PDF on how to quit and stay out of your 9 to 5. And you can get that at lifewithpassion.com/ sis. So grab it. It's real detailed and goes into how, you know, the strategy the top strategies I work with my clients on to help them quit. And that's life with passion.com/.
Suzanne Proksa:
Awesome. And we'll put that in the comments when we're done too, ladies, so that you can just go right to it. Well, thank you so much for being here today. And hopefully, we have a bunch of ladies who are feeling a lot better about ditching that 9 to 5, or if they're in the other situation we talked about where they ditched it, but it's not going as well as they'd hoped. Hopefully, they picked up some ideas on how to get past that. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thank you everybody.
Suzanne Proksa:
Thank you again, Christine, for being on.
Christine McAlister:
Thank you so much for having me. This was a fantastic conversation.
Suzanne Proksa:
I hope that you loved this episode. If you did, give me those shout outs, show me some love on iTunes, give me a rating and hey, if you wanna know where to find me, you can find me on pretty much all social media at suzannepro k s a. And you can also head over to my website suzanneproksa.com. Until then we'll see you in the next episode. And here is the party music for you.
